OESD and Bubble Burst Definition - October 18, 2005
Update: I'm beginning to really like limit hold em cash games. I have fared pretty well. I have began playing a lot and seem to do pretty well. Amazing that if you look at a database of hands and classify people based on three categories, there is one distinct feature that separates the profitable from unprofitable. If you look at the following three categories, what do you think is the most important?
1) starting hands that people play (Tight, Loose or Semi-Loose classification)
2) the aggressiveness that people play before the flop (aggressive, nuetral, passive)
3) the aggressiveness that people play after the flop (aggressive, neutral, passive)
I have found that being aggressive after the flop makes the most profitable limit hold em player. You can refine 1 and 2 to increase your profitability but if you want to be profitable you have to be aggressive in category number 3.
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Follow up to earlier post: I had a couple questions on what an OESD and Bubble Burst meant. Listed below are some definitions.
OESD = Open Ended Straight Draw. When you have four cards in a row and are hoping to fill your striaght with your eight outs. Example: 5678 and hoping for one of the four 4s or one of the four 9s left in the deck.
Often confused with the OESD is the double belly buster. You still have eight outs but they are not in a row. For example You have 678 and the board has a 4 and a T. If a 5 or a 9 come you fill your straight.
Bubble Bursting = When you are playing in a tournament the cutoff point for who makes the money and who doesn't is called the bubble. If I am playing in a single table tournament (often referred to as a SNG) they will pay the top 3 out of 10. When there are ten people at the table you are likely to play your normal game. But once you get down to 4 or 5 people you may make different decisions based on the size of your opponents chips because you are on the bubble.
For example, say you are down to four people. You have 1500 chips and are in 3rd place. The other three players have 4000, 2400 and 100. Blinds are at 1000/200. You are dealt AJ in the BB. The small stack is first to act (UTG) and folds. The button big stack at the table raises to 1200. the SB folds and it is your decision. Well, you probably have the best hand since it is only four handed. But if you raise all in the button is likely to call since he has to only put 300 more chips in the pot. If you were down to three players and had already been guaranteed the third place money you would likely raise all in. However, since the low stack is going to be committed to paying the blind and being "All in" on the next hand, you should probably fold. Even though you have a better hand than the Button, he has pot odds to call and you have a chance of being knocked out. You are better off waiting two hands for the small blind to likely get knocked out and then playing aggressively with the top two chip stacks to get back into contention.
Okay so you fold, and the next hand the small stack gets knocked out by the big stack. The Bubble has burst" because you are in the money, so now the decisions at the table should change.
1) starting hands that people play (Tight, Loose or Semi-Loose classification)
2) the aggressiveness that people play before the flop (aggressive, nuetral, passive)
3) the aggressiveness that people play after the flop (aggressive, neutral, passive)
I have found that being aggressive after the flop makes the most profitable limit hold em player. You can refine 1 and 2 to increase your profitability but if you want to be profitable you have to be aggressive in category number 3.
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Follow up to earlier post: I had a couple questions on what an OESD and Bubble Burst meant. Listed below are some definitions.
OESD = Open Ended Straight Draw. When you have four cards in a row and are hoping to fill your striaght with your eight outs. Example: 5678 and hoping for one of the four 4s or one of the four 9s left in the deck.
Often confused with the OESD is the double belly buster. You still have eight outs but they are not in a row. For example You have 678 and the board has a 4 and a T. If a 5 or a 9 come you fill your straight.
Bubble Bursting = When you are playing in a tournament the cutoff point for who makes the money and who doesn't is called the bubble. If I am playing in a single table tournament (often referred to as a SNG) they will pay the top 3 out of 10. When there are ten people at the table you are likely to play your normal game. But once you get down to 4 or 5 people you may make different decisions based on the size of your opponents chips because you are on the bubble.
For example, say you are down to four people. You have 1500 chips and are in 3rd place. The other three players have 4000, 2400 and 100. Blinds are at 1000/200. You are dealt AJ in the BB. The small stack is first to act (UTG) and folds. The button big stack at the table raises to 1200. the SB folds and it is your decision. Well, you probably have the best hand since it is only four handed. But if you raise all in the button is likely to call since he has to only put 300 more chips in the pot. If you were down to three players and had already been guaranteed the third place money you would likely raise all in. However, since the low stack is going to be committed to paying the blind and being "All in" on the next hand, you should probably fold. Even though you have a better hand than the Button, he has pot odds to call and you have a chance of being knocked out. You are better off waiting two hands for the small blind to likely get knocked out and then playing aggressively with the top two chip stacks to get back into contention.
Okay so you fold, and the next hand the small stack gets knocked out by the big stack. The Bubble has burst" because you are in the money, so now the decisions at the table should change.
posted by Steve K at 11:23 AM
2 Comments:
Good times on the switch to limit. I will say that #3 is mostly true, but in many situations, the more 'aggressive' play is to let someone else drive the betting. Especially if you are playing 6 max with some nutty nuttersons...
As for me, I haven't played in almost two weeks, taking some time off because I was playing bad, running bad and not having that much fun doing it. Plus since I actually have a real job, didn't NEED the money...
I was curious if Pooh was still playing or not. I definitely agree that #3 is the the most important. Other forums have analyzed poker databases and found this to be the case based on the auto rate player buttons in Poker Tracker. Obviously, your starting hands are also important, however every winning auto rate clasification had one thing in common, Late game aggressiveness.
Pooh, you missed a good time this weekend watching the bear get married.
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