To Milk or Not to Milk: June 29, 2005
So I snuck in a game last night before the NBA draft came on. (Side Note: I think the Wolves either made a fabulous pick or an awful pick. I don't think there is any middle ground with this guy. I loved when the announcers said that "if I had a nickel for every time this guy played defense, I would have a nickel". Anyone else instantly think of him and Wally playing at the same time?). Okay back to poker. I want to discuss a hand that I don't think I played well. My decisions were made for an intentional reason at the time, but looking back on it I don't know if I should have tried to milk for some more chips.
So Subject is on my direct right and is very aggressive. He isn't a complete maniac but I wouldn't classify him as tight aggressive either. He built a big stack by hitting a set and doubling off a maniac and then called down another big all in bet with top pair top kicker. After he built his stack he has been playing bully from position. So I get KJ in the small blind and complete to see the flop with five other players. Hand history is below.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) converter
BB (t860)UTG (t1045)MP1 (t795)MP2 (t1005)CO (t905)Button (SUBJECT) (t2555)Steve K (t835)
Preflop: Steve K is SB with Jc, Ks. UTG calls t30, 1 fold, MP2 calls t30, 1 fold, Button (SUBJECT) calls t30, Steve K completes, BB checks.
Flop: (t150) 7c, 2h, Kc (5 players)Steve K checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, SUBJECT bets t275, Steve K calls t275, BB folds, UTG folds, MP2 folds.
Turn: (t700) Td (2 players)Steve K bets t530 (All-In), SUBJECT folds.
Final Pot: t1230
Flop comes K72 with two clubs. I check because I think there are a lot of hands that could have me beat and I don't want a reraise. Also, a small bet isn't going to chase away any flush draws. So everyone checks around to the button who overbets the pot considerably. He is a typical bad player: bets a lot without a hand and slow plays the good ones, so I think I have him beat. I call the bet. Why did I call?
Well, I wanted to see if someone was slow playing a set. If someone hits a set they likely will check and get someone else to bet and everyone knew that the button was going to fire out a raise and play more bully. So the three other checkers all fold and I'm heads up with the bully. The turn card is a Td (Ten of Diamonds). Now that I am almost sure I have the best hand I want to take the pot down there. There is a decent amount of money in the pot and I don't want to give the maniac a free card on the river. He hasn't been playing absolute garbage so I could be giving him three outs on the river if he has an ace, or even more outs if he has two clubs, possibly five outs if he has a hand like A7s (Ace, Seven suited) or A2s.
So could I have made more money on this hand? I'm confident that he was paying attention enough to know that my flop call would slow him down so I was worried about the check and giving him a free card on the river. So I wanted to bet, but maybe I should have bet half my stack to see if he would chase. What do you all think? Would you have check raised all in on flop? Would you have checked the turn?
So Subject is on my direct right and is very aggressive. He isn't a complete maniac but I wouldn't classify him as tight aggressive either. He built a big stack by hitting a set and doubling off a maniac and then called down another big all in bet with top pair top kicker. After he built his stack he has been playing bully from position. So I get KJ in the small blind and complete to see the flop with five other players. Hand history is below.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) converter
BB (t860)UTG (t1045)MP1 (t795)MP2 (t1005)CO (t905)Button (SUBJECT) (t2555)Steve K (t835)
Preflop: Steve K is SB with Jc, Ks. UTG calls t30, 1 fold, MP2 calls t30, 1 fold, Button (SUBJECT) calls t30, Steve K completes, BB checks.
Flop: (t150) 7c, 2h, Kc (5 players)Steve K checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, SUBJECT bets t275, Steve K calls t275, BB folds, UTG folds, MP2 folds.
Turn: (t700) Td (2 players)Steve K bets t530 (All-In), SUBJECT folds.
Final Pot: t1230
Flop comes K72 with two clubs. I check because I think there are a lot of hands that could have me beat and I don't want a reraise. Also, a small bet isn't going to chase away any flush draws. So everyone checks around to the button who overbets the pot considerably. He is a typical bad player: bets a lot without a hand and slow plays the good ones, so I think I have him beat. I call the bet. Why did I call?
Well, I wanted to see if someone was slow playing a set. If someone hits a set they likely will check and get someone else to bet and everyone knew that the button was going to fire out a raise and play more bully. So the three other checkers all fold and I'm heads up with the bully. The turn card is a Td (Ten of Diamonds). Now that I am almost sure I have the best hand I want to take the pot down there. There is a decent amount of money in the pot and I don't want to give the maniac a free card on the river. He hasn't been playing absolute garbage so I could be giving him three outs on the river if he has an ace, or even more outs if he has two clubs, possibly five outs if he has a hand like A7s (Ace, Seven suited) or A2s.
So could I have made more money on this hand? I'm confident that he was paying attention enough to know that my flop call would slow him down so I was worried about the check and giving him a free card on the river. So I wanted to bet, but maybe I should have bet half my stack to see if he would chase. What do you all think? Would you have check raised all in on flop? Would you have checked the turn?
posted by Steve K at 9:29 AM
2 Comments:
I think you played it fine. Getting the turn checked behind is disastrous for you here. You have no real options for bet sizing besides all in. CRing all in on the flop is also a legit option (and perhaps the best option).
If the turn is a K or a J, then checking has value...
I hate, Hate, HATE the McCants pick. Guys I would rather have: Granger, Warrick, Joey Graham, Nate Robinson, Luther Head, Garcia, Simeon.
And we conitnue to give our 2nd round picks away on Big ten guys who will not make the roster...
Fire McHale, do it now...
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